but let's assume because the debt ceiling doesn't kick in till august, i believe that's what we'll have, but let's add these together. let's say you're right, 30 billion. but let's -- jobs overseas, we can dial that however we want because it's all -- a huge loss of revenue, corporate jets, tehre are all kind of things that are low-hanging fruit. >> you've heard the republicans across the board here. they're saying they're done with revenues for 2013. >> george, the american people are on our side. the american people don't believe in these austere things. we believe that the rich should contribute. we believe we should fill those tax loopholes, get rid of them, i should say, and that's where we need to go. >> but that's a debate that's been had, as you know, for the last couple of months, last couple of years and doesn't appear it will get solved next month so the sequester will hit. >> george, that's what they said two or three days before the fiscal cliff. no revenue. well, we got about $700 billion in revenue. there's still more we can do. >> are you saying that for -- to lift the s